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	Comments on: Shakespeare and the Gunpowder Plot:  5 Ways to Teach Historical Context Through Literature	</title>
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		By: English Classroom Architect		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://englishclassroomarchitect.com/unitplanning/macbeth-gunpowder-plot-historical-context/#comment-253&quot;&gt;Robert King&lt;/a&gt;.

I don&#039;t disagree with your reading and analysis, but I&#039;m not drawing a straight line between Macbeth and Catesby. 

I think it&#039;s so interesting that there are multiple battles going on at the beginning of the play, and the line &quot;What he hath lost, noble Macbeth hath gained&quot; always makes me pause - because what Macbeth gains is the title of a traitorous thane, which Macbeth then becomes. The political unrest in my opinion is not with Macbeth, but with others around him. Also putting Macbeth into historical perspective (the reign of Macbeth, not Shakespeare) puts an interesting layer on the play. So there is the struggle for power of others in the opening of the play.

Also the struggle for power is not really with Macbeth either, it&#039;s Lady Macbeth. When looking at both Shakespeare&#039;s time and the historical Macbeth, again, there are interesting ideas to explore. Lady Macbeth is fighting under &quot;her battlements&quot; - which is such an interesting word for Lady Macbeth to use - her battle is within the castle, which she is confined to. 

And then there is certainly political unrest when Macbeth becomes king, as evidence by Malcolm&#039;s speech. 

And Shakespeare certainly shows that Macbeth is not the rightful king, but there is also conspiracy to usurp him from his throne. One of the details I explain to my students is using the lens of the historical Macbeth, it would have been reasonable for Macbeth to think that he could reasonably become king as one of the greatest warriors, and Lady Macbeth&#039;s references to a before-time seem to suggest that Macbeth&#039;s ambitious may have not been so latent. But, that is one of the many ambiguities of the play.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://englishclassroomarchitect.com/unitplanning/macbeth-gunpowder-plot-historical-context/#comment-253">Robert King</a>.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t disagree with your reading and analysis, but I&#8217;m not drawing a straight line between Macbeth and Catesby. </p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s so interesting that there are multiple battles going on at the beginning of the play, and the line &#8220;What he hath lost, noble Macbeth hath gained&#8221; always makes me pause &#8211; because what Macbeth gains is the title of a traitorous thane, which Macbeth then becomes. The political unrest in my opinion is not with Macbeth, but with others around him. Also putting Macbeth into historical perspective (the reign of Macbeth, not Shakespeare) puts an interesting layer on the play. So there is the struggle for power of others in the opening of the play.</p>
<p>Also the struggle for power is not really with Macbeth either, it&#8217;s Lady Macbeth. When looking at both Shakespeare&#8217;s time and the historical Macbeth, again, there are interesting ideas to explore. Lady Macbeth is fighting under &#8220;her battlements&#8221; &#8211; which is such an interesting word for Lady Macbeth to use &#8211; her battle is within the castle, which she is confined to. </p>
<p>And then there is certainly political unrest when Macbeth becomes king, as evidence by Malcolm&#8217;s speech. </p>
<p>And Shakespeare certainly shows that Macbeth is not the rightful king, but there is also conspiracy to usurp him from his throne. One of the details I explain to my students is using the lens of the historical Macbeth, it would have been reasonable for Macbeth to think that he could reasonably become king as one of the greatest warriors, and Lady Macbeth&#8217;s references to a before-time seem to suggest that Macbeth&#8217;s ambitious may have not been so latent. But, that is one of the many ambiguities of the play.</p>
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		By: Robert King		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s a crucial enquiry, to examine what Shakespeare&#039;s attitude might have been to the Gunpowder Plot. However, I don&#039;t think that &#039;Macbeth&#039; is a fitting parallel. You say that both stories concern political unrest, conspiracy and the struggle for power; however, Macbeth - when we first meet him - is a renowned, celebrated warrior - honourable, faithful and loyal to his king. It&#039;s only via the catalyst of the witches&#039; prophecy and the machinations of his wife that he has a &#039;vaulting ambition&#039; thrust upon him. He is no Catesby, who was persecuted by the regime of Elizabeth along with his whole family, and who was implicit in harbouring a high-ranking Jesuit priest who had been sent over to England in an attempt to undermine the people&#039;s support for the Queen. Macbeth has the insidious flame of ambition lit within him despite himself - which gradually overcomes and destroys him; whereas within Catesby there was a smouldering hatred from the beginning, which became hotter as he reacted to the outrageous  constraints, impediments and crippling fines meted out against the &#039;recusant&#039; Catholics of his time. Macbeth is the truly &#039;tragic&#039; figure, because his fate involves a fall from grace and respect through the growth of a latent ambition (his &#039;hamartia&#039;, in Aristotle&#039;s sense) initiated by external forces; whereas with Catesby there is the irrepressible growth of anger and a desire for retribution and revenge which has naturally built up over years of persecution. Catesby is not tragic - he simply fails to achieve his very ambitious aim; if he had succeeded, then many would have praised him as a saviour, and he would have risen to high office and probably stayed there.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a crucial enquiry, to examine what Shakespeare&#8217;s attitude might have been to the Gunpowder Plot. However, I don&#8217;t think that &#8216;Macbeth&#8217; is a fitting parallel. You say that both stories concern political unrest, conspiracy and the struggle for power; however, Macbeth &#8211; when we first meet him &#8211; is a renowned, celebrated warrior &#8211; honourable, faithful and loyal to his king. It&#8217;s only via the catalyst of the witches&#8217; prophecy and the machinations of his wife that he has a &#8216;vaulting ambition&#8217; thrust upon him. He is no Catesby, who was persecuted by the regime of Elizabeth along with his whole family, and who was implicit in harbouring a high-ranking Jesuit priest who had been sent over to England in an attempt to undermine the people&#8217;s support for the Queen. Macbeth has the insidious flame of ambition lit within him despite himself &#8211; which gradually overcomes and destroys him; whereas within Catesby there was a smouldering hatred from the beginning, which became hotter as he reacted to the outrageous  constraints, impediments and crippling fines meted out against the &#8216;recusant&#8217; Catholics of his time. Macbeth is the truly &#8216;tragic&#8217; figure, because his fate involves a fall from grace and respect through the growth of a latent ambition (his &#8216;hamartia&#8217;, in Aristotle&#8217;s sense) initiated by external forces; whereas with Catesby there is the irrepressible growth of anger and a desire for retribution and revenge which has naturally built up over years of persecution. Catesby is not tragic &#8211; he simply fails to achieve his very ambitious aim; if he had succeeded, then many would have praised him as a saviour, and he would have risen to high office and probably stayed there.</p>
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